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		<title>By: aphraar</title>
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		<dc:creator>aphraar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s nothing more to say than I&#039;m backing Joe, Sasori and Mickey.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nothing more to say than I&#8217;m backing Joe, Sasori and Mickey.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: StoneCold</title>
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		<dc:creator>StoneCold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say yes.  Given opportunity they (criminals) file lawsuits against us.  Illegal or not I will add.  

I don&#039;t blame law enforcement though.  I do blame the system, and the city commissioners who happen to make those decisions.  The governor should be held accountable as well.  Kulongoski has done nothing to keep them out of the state or off the streets after being given millions of dollars to deal with illegals.

The following links address the link that Greasy has posted, since he seems to have stopped using SPLC for his arguments, and has found another most like them..  The links tell who the real bigots are, and how to spot them.

Southern Poverty Law Center: Activities, Agendas, and Worldview
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/splcworldview.html

Excerpt:  &quot;The SPLC’s ideological biases are evident in its map of Active U.S. Hate Groups. Although the SPLC denounces extremist religious groups like the Jewish Defense League and Westboro Baptist Church, no mention is made of even a single extremist Muslim group. Similarly, while far-right groups like the Council of Conservative Citizens are tagged as hate groups, the SPLC withholds judgment on extremist leftwing groups. The aforementioned Intelligence Project, an SPLC initiative that monitors hate and extremist groups around the United States, is conspicuously selective in its scrutiny. Whereas rightwing groups are routinely the subjects of Intelligence Project reports, the political left, as evidenced by the dearth of critical literature, is above suspicion. In 2003, for instance, the SPLC hosted a forum called “Right-Wing Extremism in a Transatlantic Perspective,” which, as one SPLC report noted, sought to develop strategies to combat “the radical right.” Of the radical left, no mention was made.&quot;

How To Recognize The Bigot In The Argument
The Hate/Fear Tactic
Demeaning The Motivations Of Your Opponent
http://pages.prodigy.net/krtq73aa/bigot.htm

Excerpt:  &quot;The technique of the SPLC is remarkably similar to that used by the ADL (our next subject) against Conservatives for over 90 years. It is not surprising that a group with such techniques would fail to acknowledge that most extremism over the past two centuries has come from the Left not Right of center, from those who sought to repudiate not vindicate traditional values; would fail to acknowledge that most terrorists have been adherents to Socialist and Egalitarian movements, few indeed in favor of affirming heritage. Perusing SPLC articles, an informed Conservative will quickly perceive that their interpretation of tolerance bears no semblance to what the word means to the rest of the English speaking world. 

The Tolerance Project involves a sometimes subtle, often overt, linking of small ineffective groups, which may actually display an inordinate degree of negative motivation and hateful sentiment, with others who simply share one trait in common with the first. That shared trait is often an ideological principle for which the Left has no answer but to smear by tortured association--such as a commitment to the traditional American belief in individual responsibility and limited Government. 

Thus a recent article on what the SPLC labeled &quot;Patriot Movement,&quot; linked such outspoken and effective advocates of traditional American values as J. J. Johnson, Howard Phillips (of the Constitution Party) and Larry Pratt (Gun Owners Of America) with some individuals discredited by personal conduct, who had at one time or another been in general agreement on kindred concepts. The article used one misleading trick after another to convey the impression that anyone who shared George Washington&#039;s belief in an armed and prepared citizenry, as essential to that individual responsibility and limited Government, was some form of crack pot. Yet it never addressed the underlying issues or mentioned that George Washington was the foremost champion of the ideas that those being smeared had advocated. 

Although the tie between a respectable group being smeared and eccentrics on a tangent, is usually a common opposition to some gross excess on the Left, another favored tactic is to link anyone who expressespride in his racial heritage with those who spew hatred against others. The target most favored by the SPLC is, of course, the Conservative Southern Anglo-Saxon/Celtic strain of Christians: Those who still refuse to apologize for holding traditional views similar to the Founding Fathers. Slandering this group is not only an absurd confusion of love with hate; it is the same vicious technique that the master Socialist demagogue Adolph Hitler used so effectively in destroying all individual freedom in Germany. Let us look briefly at the ADL, the last group to be discussed, and then return to the techniques of the German Dictator. &quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say yes.  Given opportunity they (criminals) file lawsuits against us.  Illegal or not I will add.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t blame law enforcement though.  I do blame the system, and the city commissioners who happen to make those decisions.  The governor should be held accountable as well.  Kulongoski has done nothing to keep them out of the state or off the streets after being given millions of dollars to deal with illegals.</p>
<p>The following links address the link that Greasy has posted, since he seems to have stopped using SPLC for his arguments, and has found another most like them..  The links tell who the real bigots are, and how to spot them.</p>
<p>Southern Poverty Law Center: Activities, Agendas, and Worldview<br />
<a href="http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/splcworldview.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/splcworldview.html</a></p>
<p>Excerpt:  &quot;The SPLC’s ideological biases are evident in its map of Active U.S. Hate Groups. Although the SPLC denounces extremist religious groups like the Jewish Defense League and Westboro Baptist Church, no mention is made of even a single extremist Muslim group. Similarly, while far-right groups like the Council of Conservative Citizens are tagged as hate groups, the SPLC withholds judgment on extremist leftwing groups. The aforementioned Intelligence Project, an SPLC initiative that monitors hate and extremist groups around the United States, is conspicuously selective in its scrutiny. Whereas rightwing groups are routinely the subjects of Intelligence Project reports, the political left, as evidenced by the dearth of critical literature, is above suspicion. In 2003, for instance, the SPLC hosted a forum called “Right-Wing Extremism in a Transatlantic Perspective,” which, as one SPLC report noted, sought to develop strategies to combat “the radical right.” Of the radical left, no mention was made.&quot;</p>
<p>How To Recognize The Bigot In The Argument<br />
The Hate/Fear Tactic<br />
Demeaning The Motivations Of Your Opponent<br />
<a href="http://pages.prodigy.net/krtq73aa/bigot.htm" rel="nofollow">http://pages.prodigy.net/krtq73aa/bigot.htm</a></p>
<p>Excerpt:  &quot;The technique of the SPLC is remarkably similar to that used by the ADL (our next subject) against Conservatives for over 90 years. It is not surprising that a group with such techniques would fail to acknowledge that most extremism over the past two centuries has come from the Left not Right of center, from those who sought to repudiate not vindicate traditional values; would fail to acknowledge that most terrorists have been adherents to Socialist and Egalitarian movements, few indeed in favor of affirming heritage. Perusing SPLC articles, an informed Conservative will quickly perceive that their interpretation of tolerance bears no semblance to what the word means to the rest of the English speaking world. </p>
<p>The Tolerance Project involves a sometimes subtle, often overt, linking of small ineffective groups, which may actually display an inordinate degree of negative motivation and hateful sentiment, with others who simply share one trait in common with the first. That shared trait is often an ideological principle for which the Left has no answer but to smear by tortured association&#8211;such as a commitment to the traditional American belief in individual responsibility and limited Government. </p>
<p>Thus a recent article on what the SPLC labeled &quot;Patriot Movement,&quot; linked such outspoken and effective advocates of traditional American values as J. J. Johnson, Howard Phillips (of the Constitution Party) and Larry Pratt (Gun Owners Of America) with some individuals discredited by personal conduct, who had at one time or another been in general agreement on kindred concepts. The article used one misleading trick after another to convey the impression that anyone who shared George Washington&#8217;s belief in an armed and prepared citizenry, as essential to that individual responsibility and limited Government, was some form of crack pot. Yet it never addressed the underlying issues or mentioned that George Washington was the foremost champion of the ideas that those being smeared had advocated. </p>
<p>Although the tie between a respectable group being smeared and eccentrics on a tangent, is usually a common opposition to some gross excess on the Left, another favored tactic is to link anyone who expressespride in his racial heritage with those who spew hatred against others. The target most favored by the SPLC is, of course, the Conservative Southern Anglo-Saxon/Celtic strain of Christians: Those who still refuse to apologize for holding traditional views similar to the Founding Fathers. Slandering this group is not only an absurd confusion of love with hate; it is the same vicious technique that the master Socialist demagogue Adolph Hitler used so effectively in destroying all individual freedom in Germany. Let us look briefly at the ADL, the last group to be discussed, and then return to the techniques of the German Dictator. &quot;<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: gringa</title>
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		<dc:creator>gringa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well then i guess we should file lawsuits for each american that commits crimes as well, what a stupid question&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well then i guess we should file lawsuits for each american that commits crimes as well, what a stupid question<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good idea !

Now, make another lawsuite when a criminal, legal or ilegal, is released and kills again&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good idea !</p>
<p>Now, make another lawsuite when a criminal, legal or ilegal, is released and kills again<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: rayb1214</title>
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		<dc:creator>rayb1214</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is actually a brilliant idea.  Once law enforcement has these people in custody, under no circumstances should they ever be set free in this country.  If they need to be release, send them back.  To allow a criminal to go free, and in doing so, continue to break laws (just by being here) is criminal in itself.  I don&#039;t care if it is mass murder, or the theft of a bicycle, the agency that lets an illegal back out onto US streets should be held accountable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is actually a brilliant idea.  Once law enforcement has these people in custody, under no circumstances should they ever be set free in this country.  If they need to be release, send them back.  To allow a criminal to go free, and in doing so, continue to break laws (just by being here) is criminal in itself.  I don&#8217;t care if it is mass murder, or the theft of a bicycle, the agency that lets an illegal back out onto US streets should be held accountable.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: KID</title>
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		<dc:creator>KID</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YES the county should be sued and both perpetrators should get the death penalty !!!

would not matter to me if they were citizens-----THEY RAPED AND KILLED A CHILD------ death penalty !!!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YES the county should be sued and both perpetrators should get the death penalty !!!</p>
<p>would not matter to me if they were citizens&#8212;&#8211;THEY RAPED AND KILLED A CHILD&#8212;&#8212; death penalty !!!!<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Joe C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes and I agree with Sasori.  Plus, both men should be executed.

Additional Information: Section 287(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) was made law in the United States in 1996 as a result of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA).  Section 287(g) authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to enter into agreements with state and local law enforcement agencies, permitting designated officers to perform immigration law enforcement functions, pursuant to a Memorandum of Agreement (MOA), provided that the local law enforcement officers receive appropriate training and function under the supervision of sworn U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers.  Under 287(g), ICE provides state and local law enforcement with the training and subsequent authorization to identify, process, and when appropriate, detain immigration offenders they encounter during their regular, daily law-enforcement activity.

More Additional Information: 

The way it was explained to me by someone I know with several years of experience as an immigration officer, not all police agencies that arrest illegal aliens contact ICE or the Border Patrol to come and pick them up. He said some police departments call but not all. Degrees of cooperation vary tremendously.

For example, in Buffalo, the Border Patrol had a station, and they did very good liaison work with the local police department, so the police department called the Border Patrol when there is a case of an illegal alien.

Another example is in Boston, there is no Border Patrol, just ICE. If the relationship between the Boston Police Department and ICE is good, they&#039;ll call. In Las Vegas, they call ICE more often than ICE would like. However, in Los Angeles, the police officers would never call based on just an illegal alien (with no hard criminal record).

In New York City (another sanctuary city), the police officers would never call ICE for an illegal alien unless that person is involved in a hard crime. The mayor of New York City will never address that issue.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes and I agree with Sasori.  Plus, both men should be executed.</p>
<p>Additional Information: Section 287(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) was made law in the United States in 1996 as a result of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA).  Section 287(g) authorizes the Secretary of Homeland Security to enter into agreements with state and local law enforcement agencies, permitting designated officers to perform immigration law enforcement functions, pursuant to a Memorandum of Agreement (MOA), provided that the local law enforcement officers receive appropriate training and function under the supervision of sworn U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers.  Under 287(g), ICE provides state and local law enforcement with the training and subsequent authorization to identify, process, and when appropriate, detain immigration offenders they encounter during their regular, daily law-enforcement activity.</p>
<p>More Additional Information: </p>
<p>The way it was explained to me by someone I know with several years of experience as an immigration officer, not all police agencies that arrest illegal aliens contact ICE or the Border Patrol to come and pick them up. He said some police departments call but not all. Degrees of cooperation vary tremendously.</p>
<p>For example, in Buffalo, the Border Patrol had a station, and they did very good liaison work with the local police department, so the police department called the Border Patrol when there is a case of an illegal alien.</p>
<p>Another example is in Boston, there is no Border Patrol, just ICE. If the relationship between the Boston Police Department and ICE is good, they&#8217;ll call. In Las Vegas, they call ICE more often than ICE would like. However, in Los Angeles, the police officers would never call based on just an illegal alien (with no hard criminal record).</p>
<p>In New York City (another sanctuary city), the police officers would never call ICE for an illegal alien unless that person is involved in a hard crime. The mayor of New York City will never address that issue.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Sasori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sasori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Mickey.  Anytime an Americans life is affected by illegals they need to sue either their city, state or the Federal government.  Which every applies.
When they know Americans are going to hold them accountable for their neglect they will find an adequate solution in no time at all. And it won&#039;t be amnesty. 
This should also hold true for LPR&#039;s. I know of several who have DUI convictions and they are still here in the US. Anyone who is not a citizen and puts citizens at risk by their behavior should be immediately deported.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Mickey.  Anytime an Americans life is affected by illegals they need to sue either their city, state or the Federal government.  Which every applies.<br />
When they know Americans are going to hold them accountable for their neglect they will find an adequate solution in no time at all. And it won&#8217;t be amnesty.<br />
This should also hold true for LPR&#8217;s. I know of several who have DUI convictions and they are still here in the US. Anyone who is not a citizen and puts citizens at risk by their behavior should be immediately deported.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Micky....the resurrection</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micky....the resurrection</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, they should. If more citizens sued, we would see serious anti illegal alien action from those with authority.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, they should. If more citizens sued, we would see serious anti illegal alien action from those with authority.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Bob G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 11:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A person died during a rape and the criminals are only getting a little under six years for it? That&#039;s absurd!! There is something terrible wrong with the legal system when a murderer only gets sentenced to about 3.5 years with good time. 

That aside, yes! The deputies were negligent and should be held accountable for their failure to do their job. Somebody died because they were being lazy or irresponsible.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A person died during a rape and the criminals are only getting a little under six years for it? That&#8217;s absurd!! There is something terrible wrong with the legal system when a murderer only gets sentenced to about 3.5 years with good time. </p>
<p>That aside, yes! The deputies were negligent and should be held accountable for their failure to do their job. Somebody died because they were being lazy or irresponsible.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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